I'd like to thank everyone for all of their time effort and patience with me in learning this stuff - I've learned a lot. But I've come to the conclusion that what I think might make a fun map to play - is just that something that I think is fun to play. I've tried out a couple of maps that I think are an ablsoute riot and have been heaped nothing but scorn for my efforts (not from anyone here) from the servers where I usually play. I've come to the point where TF2 is starting to bore me as well - same style maps, same style of gameplay, etc. Although I'm giving up - due to other things going on in my life also - I commend you for your dedication and your attention to detail in your maps. I just don't have the time anymore to do the mapping stuff. Good luck and best wishes to you all.