MVM Havana A3 Fix

Whoa I'm in Space Cuba!

  1. Nicky

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    Havana - Whoa I'm in Space Cuba!

    Welcome to Cuba's capital city, Havana! An MvM map made by @Muddy and me for the Mappers VS Machines contest. She has done a lot of work on this so please be sure to let her know if you like it!


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  2. Viperi

    aa Viperi suomi mainittu

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    First thing that came into mind was that old Counter Strike map.
     
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    • Fixes the bomb getting stuck under a brush
    • Fixes the tanks for later waves not spawning in the correct place
    • Traffic cones (were supposed to be here before but I broke them oops)
    • Map is now repacked, thanks TF Team!
    • Map is now in a .zip containing the navmesh and the pop file

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  5. UKCS-Alias

    aa UKCS-Alias Mann vs Machine... or... Mapper vs Meta?

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    Keep in mind that you should never show the carrier in the position where the wheels arent visible (the left side of the carrier when viewed from the front). It might look good now, but as soon as they turn on romevision it will be clear its a mess (even though romevision itself is ugly anyway).
     
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  6. Muddy

    Server Staff Muddy Muddy

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    I had no idea Romevision changed the look of the carrier tank too. whoops.

    If it's too much of an issue I guess I can replace it with a Generic Building™
     
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  7. Izotope

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    Why is Romevision even a thing?
     
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    We can probably do something where the left carrier is facing the front, with it's opened door facing the players, but obstructed by some rocks so players can't see the bots "pop into existence". Or yeah generic building™ could work but it'd probs look out of place. Either way, we'll figure it out, thanks for letting us know!
     
  9. UKCS-Alias

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    Valve had aprils fools on valve time and released it several months late.

    But in the end, if a visual effect can be done (just like pyrovision) you should ensure your map properly works with it. With pyrovision you have the advantage its not a requirement as players cant realy choose the support, but with romevision they can. And since no one bothered making a mirrored version of the carrier we only have that same side in every map.
    Partialy people can see this in bigrock anyway, and with the correct position in coaltown you can also see it. As long as the spawning makes sense its not a problem. But obstructing it is still a cleaner method.

    The carrier only has 1 key function and that is indicating where you can find the bot spawn, even if you cant see the carrier standing at the spawn (see bigrock). That bots do spawn somewhere else than the carrier itself is fine. As long as the exit they drop down from is where you would expect it based on the carrier.
     
  10. Muddy

    Server Staff Muddy Muddy

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    I'd like to see what the carrier looks like with Romevision on, but I don't see any way of enabling it without the Hardy Laurel equipped and buggered if I'm spending £11 on a misc I'll otherwise never use.
     
  11. Flipy

    aa Flipy Thinks they can draw

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    Its a craft hat tho, also I can send you one if you want to use it for testing.

    Oh and you dont have to have it equipped to enable romevision, just in your inventory
     
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  12. UKCS-Alias

    aa UKCS-Alias Mann vs Machine... or... Mapper vs Meta?

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    https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Romevision
    That image on the right shows the carrier in romevision style. If you scroll down you see another one. And unlike the regular carrier, this one has far more nodraw faces on the other side.
     
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  13. Muddy

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    Sorry, should've clarified - I meant how it looks in this map specifically, to see just how bad it looks.
     
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    Brought to you by @Muddy cuz she da best.

    Robot Spawn:
    • replaced one of the robot carriers with a building (mostly to make the nav mesh less of a mess)

    Beach:
    • made the beach area larger

    Robot Navigation:
    • added functionality for Engineer robots
    • fixed robots taking routes they should not be
    • general nav file improvements
    • added more bot holograms

    Pop file:
    • added a second 'advanced' mission (pretty much just Bigrock Broken Parts with some minor tweaks) - enable it with the console command tf_mvm_popfile mvm_havana_a2_advanced

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  15. Freyja

    aa Freyja Help I'm trapped in this post

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    This map has a lot of potential. But it has some problems.

    First off, your engineers nests are broken. Make sure the three entities in it share the same name, because every time an engie bot came in, it'd drop a sentry (in a weird spot, behind the rock, maybe think about those some more) and then try to run basically all the way to the hatch to drop it's teleporter, at which point it tried to run all the way back to the sentry. They posed zero threat.

    The giant seemed to get stuck under the bridge over the road at one point.

    The forward upgrade station is usable during the wave which just made the front area even easier to hold when you could resupply with canteens.

    Part of the bot spawnroom seemed to be jutting into the play area, bots falling down would stand at the base of the rocks and be invulnerable, this was especially annoying with snipers.

    You can also rocket/sticky jump ontop of the respawnroom visulizer in front of the bot spawn and basically float in mid air.

    As for the actual map, we found that the height advantage offered to players was way too strong with the rock in the middle and the ledges nearby. This is a big problem with bigrock too which your opening area reminded me of, where nearly every class has a massive height advantage over all bot entrances and it's very difficult to displace them without just crap tonnes of spam which isn't fun. I'd suggest consider making the rock cover instead of a thing players can easily walk onto and build on, and leaving the ledges around the edge for if players want that height. We barely got pushed out of the first area because of this and honestly I didn't get to play much else of your map.

    The building in the middle with the broken wall allows bots to path through when they're trying to get to the bomb, this might be intentional as it definitely displaced the defensible position there, but look into it if it's not.
     
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    Changelog:
    • Beach:
      • Shortened robots' walk distance from their spawn points to the gameplay area (and also deleted the further-away spawnpoints)
      • Fixed robots being invulnerable in the gameplay area
      • Fixed players being able to stand on the robot spawnvisualiser
      • Raised the big rock in the middle so you can't jump on it anymore and also func_nobuilded it
      • Nerfed some of the cover around the beach
      • Raised the end of the beach a bit to give the robots a bit more height
    • Streets:
      • Adjusted the height of the bridge around the middle to stop giants from getting stuck on it
      • Removed an enemy teleporter spot that would cause giants to get stuck
    • Gamemode:
      • (Hopefully) fixed the forward upgrade station sometimes being usable during a wave
    • Robots:
      • Fixed Engineer robots not working properly

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    Last edited: May 7, 2017
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