CP copperhead b2e

[owly-oop]

Going to remake an old map of mine. I have plans on how I want this to turn out. Going to keep some stuff from the old map, but most will probably be different. The general idea will still be there though!

I'm thinking that the map will look a bit like HL2EP2 once it's completed

 

[owly-oop]

a1 of stage1 uploaded and ready!

http://forums.tf2maps.net/downloads.php?do=file&id=4403

 

[lana]

I miss Copperhead. Kudos.

 

[Snacks]

s1_a1:

Can build in both red and blue spawns.

 

[owly-oop]

s1_a1:

Can build in both red and blue spawns.

woooooops


time to make a quick fix. gonna edit this post once i can with the new dl link

http://forums.tf2maps.net/downloads.php?do=file&id=4404

 

[owly-oop]

alright i got good stuff from that test

-make long hallway a 1 way door
-2nd point needs a flanking route or something more safe
-gonna make the thin ramps at 2nd have nothing under it, sentries were evil under there


i also have stage 3 planned out and i guess i should start working on s2


everyone thank selentic for helping me, heres some of his idears

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3332789/TF2/Misc/copper/cp_copperhead_s1_a1fix0000.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3332789/TF2/Misc/copper/cp_copperhead_s1_a1fix0001.jpg

 

[owly-oop]

a2, i did some stuff to the 2nd point. dunno what to do to the 1st point yet

boop beep boop i lick ponies http://forums.tf2maps.net/downloads.php?do=file&id=4405

 

[owly-oop]

so i'm gonna need more than 1 test, the one recently was crazy. steamroll, played normal, or uber defence.


more ammo at 1st
use a full healthkit :B
nobuild that damn pipe

 

[owly-oop]

a3 out

more items and such
other changes i forgot

http://forums.tf2maps.net/downloads.php?do=file&id=4408

 

[owly-oop]

for a4 i need to add a 3rd exit out of the setup, i noticed it was kinda spammy

 

[Wilson]

While playing the map i noticed that blue kept steamrolling red every round, this is probably because most of the time attackers get almost all height difference, you should add more height difference for defenders.
Also, second point felt bit cramped.

 

[owly-oop]

a4

3rd exit for blu
other tiny minor stuff

next version i'll see what i need to change, i want some more tests though

http://forums.tf2maps.net/downloads.php?do=file&id=4411

 

[Dark]

A few things I noticed from testing today:
I really love the first point,
The second point should cap less quickly and/or be more transparent, if your not looking at your hud the moment it starts capping then you might miss your chance to defend. I also think that player should be able to see in there, some windows would be nice.
In both of the rounds we played 2nd didn't get capped witch is a bit concerning, I think it might be because of the big hill you use for the main route to get up to where you enter the point, but it may have just been the teams causing this imbalance, just something to keep an eye on.

If you want my ideas for the layout here you go :take them with a grain of salt:

ps.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3765894/cp_copperhead_s1_a40000.jpg

 

[Zhan]

The balance felt really good when we tested it yesterday on the Cafe; on one round BLU won with less than a minute remaining. First point was excellent, second point I think might be better if there was one route where BLU could group together more easily. Currently, it seemed like the paths tended to split up BLU as we were trying to attack so it was more difficult to get a coordinated effort, but this may just be me being bad at TF2, so don't take this too seriously.

More signs for RED getting to the first point might also be good.

 

[owly-oop]

stage2 out

http://forums.tf2maps.net/downloads.php?do=file&id=4426

 

[owly-oop]

I made a mistake, posting this as a reminder tomorrow
OH NO

 

[owly-oop]

So from the small tests I can't find anything wrong with the first point without theorycrafting

Second point: Black building becomes too isolated and not used much to attack.

a2a
http://forums.tf2maps.net/downloads.php?do=file&id=4434

 

[Rexy]

Ok so I did some walk times with dustbowl benchmark, walking from spawn locations to each point as a soldier, for both teams, shortest possible distances. Here are the interesting results:

*Dustbowl, stage 1, cap A = 12 seconds for blu, 20 seconds for red
*Copperhead, stage 1, cap A = 14 seconds for blu, 26 seconds for red

*Dustbowl, stage 1, cap B = 24 seconds for blu, 10 seconds for red
*Copperhead, stage 1, cap B = 30 seconds for blu, 8 seconds for red

*Dustbowl, stage 2, cap A = 15 seconds for blu, 24 seconds for red
*Copperhead, stage 2, cap A = 15 seconds for blu, 22 seconds for red

*Dustbowl, stage 2, cap B = 27 seconds for blu, 6 seconds for red
*Copperhead, stage 2, cap B = 30 seconds for blu, 7 seconds for red

From this I think you're right on the money, and more so, because I think it's good that your stage 1, cap B is better than dustbowl's because it is 6 seconds longer--meaning there's less steam-rolly-ness associated, something I always was never a fan of in Dustbowl, stage 1, cap B.

 

[owly-oop]

stage 3 a1 done

fixed version
http://forums.tf2maps.net/downloads.php?do=file&id=4489

updated OP with pics

 

[owly-oop]

a2 of stage 3 http://forums.tf2maps.net/downloads.php?do=file&id=4491

raised red's spawntime
fixed the door closing after opening, which greatly reduced the walktimes
added more round time
did the thingy (yes)