[BETA] dm_ytmnd

Discussion in 'WIP (Work in Progress)' started by MrSinistar, Feb 11, 2008.

  1. MrSinistar

    MrSinistar L2: Junior Member

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    EDIT: Download beta here: dm_ytmnd_beta01.zip

    The download will only be up for a week, but I'll see if I can upload it on TF2Maps' servers.

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    A humor map based off some of the memes from YTMND, with music/sound player functionality and animated textures.

    Ramps with a modified version of the "Missing Texture checkboard" texture help players reach the other side of the map; a major fix from my previous version where only demomen can reach the other side.

    Objectives:
    - Kill as many enemies as possible. A CP version of this map will be available also.

    Issues:
    -Optimization. Since I'm a n00b, I still don't know how to properly add/use hint brushes, yet.
    -Graphics glitch near the right NEDM wall. When next to a gate on the bottom level or at the platform, the skybox acts as if it has disappeared.
    -No health or ammo.

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  2. jamin620

    jamin620 L1: Registered

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    Why post if you have nothing to show?
     
  3. MrSinistar

    MrSinistar L2: Junior Member

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    Both beta and more pics are up. Please try to remember that this map is not suppose to be taken seriously...lol.

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  4. MrSinistar

    MrSinistar L2: Junior Member

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    Sorry for double posting. :blushing:

    The purple-black checkerboard on the ramps are suppose to be there. I wrote "LOL, missing texture" on it so...yeah...

    The bsp file size is so big because of the mp3s packed in the bsp. It's annoying but I tried to make the songs short and have moderately-good quality bit rates. I might make a version of the map without the music files for those who don't want to mess around with the music player.

    Music is played via the brushes on the giant weighted companion cub in the middle of the map. The list of music/sounds includes:

    "I believe you have my Staper"
    "You're the man now, dog!"
    Punchout (Spy Sappin' my Sentry Remix)
    Max Coveri - Runnin' in the '90s (LOL, internet)
    Danny Elfman - Breakfast Machine (from Pee Wee's Big Adventure) (with TF2 voice overs added to it)
    El Chombo - Macarron Chacarron (Batman Ualuealuealeuale song)
    DarkMateria - The Picard Song
    Coburn - We Interrupt This Programme (Jean Claude Ades remix) (NEDM)
     
  5. YM

    aa YM LVL100 YM

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    Be ashamed! that is a horrible looking map. Also, give it a sensible name man! not just an abreviation!
     
  6. MrSinistar

    MrSinistar L2: Junior Member

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    I said I was a n00b at map making. What other name should I give it then?

    EDIT: I should have mentioned, I was going for gameplay and not graphics and looks. IMO, as long is the map is fun to play with other people then it's a good map.
     
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  7. Snipergen

    Snipergen L13: Stunning Member

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    Has to be fun but if it looks like this you are just taking the piss with tf2. Go back to counterstrike with these maps please or keep it for yourself as practice. This is just bad, there is said it. You are not a noob since you create custom textures and implement sounds, why not use this in a good way instead of diabolic stuff like this? :)
     
  8. MrSinistar

    MrSinistar L2: Junior Member

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    To tell you the truth, I never played Counter Strike. :)

    K, I'll keep this map to myself. But if you guys want, you can still download it until the link goes bad later.

    Thanks for saying I'm not a n00b. :)
     
  9. Douchey

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    Nice, I like to see you guys putting someone down for there first map ever made. Its really sad that nobody can actualy " begin " without being critisized. This person feels good for what he made and you put him down, be ashamed. Everyone begins somewere, and you people sure arnt helping him grow.
     
  10. roninmodern

    roninmodern L3: Member

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    Read above where he says he isn't a noob.

    GJ with basic layout, texturing gives me a headache.
     
  11. drp

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    meh, the more the merrier i say. upload it here so you can have a permanent place to link people.
     
  12. YM

    aa YM LVL100 YM

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    I'm just exercising my right to be an arsehole every now and then :)
    But to be fair If you really wanted to become a serious mapper would you release this to the world for critique? Would you really?
    I sure as hell wouldn't have done, I'd have been scared shitless of the big evil mapping know-alls telling me it looks rubish. I'd have kept this as a 'lol I made a map' and work my little cotton socks off untill I had something that I thought would get some praise then be really hesitant to release it.
    To be brutaly honest, when people release maps like this they deserve every nasty comment they get. If no one says anything bad they will never learn what isn't acceptible. There are thousands of examples of people releasing ugly maps that have been ripped into by angry mappers so people that do this really have no excuse. 10 minutes of searching for custom maps reveals millions of nasty comments about poor quality maps, so they know what they are letting themselves in for, and yet they still do it.
    MrSinistar, this isnt a personal attack I'm just backing my post with some reasoning behind my hate :)
     
  13. Shmitz

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    This only applies if someone is trying to grow. There's a significant difference between "here's my first map", which is a legitimate beginning for someone trying to learn how to make maps, and "lol I made this". Even an orange map deserves more praise than something that is just serving as a receptacle for ytmnd to vomit its memes into.
     
  14. Voztron

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    Anyone notice the layout view its a schwartzstigger(spelling?)...

    I mean I don't care but I am just suprised no one else noticed this.

    The map is sub par. I can understand it is a bit of fun, but seriously just keep it amongst your mates.
     
  15. MrSinistar

    MrSinistar L2: Junior Member

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    You have a good point. After reading everyone's comments, showing off this map may have been a mistake.

    I completely understand and no offense has been taken.:)
     
  16. MrSinistar

    MrSinistar L2: Junior Member

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    I hope you do realize that this is my first map and yes, I am trying to grow with mapping knowledge. I just added YTMND as an underlying theme and bring some humor to my already crappy map so that my map wouldn't seem so bad.
     
  17. DJive

    aa DJive Cake or Death?

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    I remember testing it for ya.

    When posting a map remember to add [WHY] you are posting it. IE when you wanted me to test i asked "gameplay?/layout?/brushwork?"

    I personally HATE YTMND site and anything that goes along that, but as i told myself and what most of you other mappers need to remember is.

    There is a huge difference between critique and trolling. you can say both really.

    IE, Troll:

    This is completely dumb, YTMND is stupid, why would you theme a map like this, junk it start over.

    IE, Critique:

    I cant stand awful themed maps, id put this in the learning book =/

    ... past that the map in general feels to open, if your going for a "fun" theme, try making it fair to all classes, add maybe a cube or few about.

    SS1: the blue/red arrows aren't really necessary because both sides are already color coded. Due to the small nature of the map, its kinda redundant

    SS2: There seems to be no real support for that main beam, almost looks floating

    SS3: Your texturing all 6 sides of the brush. it hurts, and is bad mappin=p. select all brushes and apply "nodraw". then select the front face of the brush "shift+a" and add your texture that way=) Also, your walls are different thicknesses

    SS4: =( way to open, poor heavys

    SS5: no floor for beams!, also you should add a skybox in the back or close it up.

    SS7: I've always wanted to be able to run through there =( make a tunnel!!!

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    Help each other out guys, there is always going to be someone who knows something more then yourself, give an answer as you would like to receive back.
     
  18. fartron

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    Don't let them get you down Sinistar, they're just elitists. If your map is fun to play, than you should be proud of it. Not every map has to conform to valve's decorative style; it's a game and it's meant to be fun. Some servers will only run conventionally attractive maps, others enjoy crazy fun maps. Personally I think the diversity is great.
     
  19. hacky

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    Is it really us being elitist, or would most of us instantly disconnect from a server after seeing the map? Regardless, I'll give you feedback because it looks like an honest start.

    - Use of Custom Textures
    While I will give you due props for being able to include and use custom textures, the way they are implemented is making my eyes bleed to the point where I'd rather see it in orange dev textures. There's no style to it, except that you're pasting random pictures everywhere. They're tiled, stretched, and I will bet they're really distracting during gameplay. On the plus side, they probably hide sniper dots equally well.

    - Layout
    Underneath all the custom textures, though, I see a very basic "this is my first map" type of layout. I don't see anything from the screenshots besides geometry made of blocks, with the exception of several ramps. The textures aside, it's very plain. By itself, that's not a bad thing, but don't you think your players may get bored after a while?

    - In a nutshell
    A working first map. Good practice for you, hopefully you can use this experience and make bigger and better things.


    Now that I have my constructive criticism done...

    I would never play on this map twice. One game is enough to look at all the images. I don't care how fun its layout is for anyone else, I don't play TF2 for mindless deathmatching on maps with simple layouts, let alone on maps that look terrible.
     
  20. DJive

    aa DJive Cake or Death?

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    Cool idea for you. Do you know how people build creates of blacks stacked for cover? why not make the side of the block your animation brush? if wouldnt be in anyones face, yet YTMND people would still respect you put them there, and others would respect its not being forced on em. I'd give you an example, but im at work =/