Automated brushes

Discussion in 'Mapping Questions & Discussion' started by YM, Feb 18, 2012.

  1. YM

    aa YM LVL100 YM

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    A quick straw poll:

    If you could have hammer automate any brush creation process, what would it be?
    Stairs?
    Clipping?
    Random detail buildings?
    The entire mapping process start to finish?
     
  2. Fr0Z3nR

    aa Fr0Z3nR Creator of blackholes & memes. Destroyer of forums

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    Clipping and then do the rest of my work for me.


    ... the random koth map is also my suggestion.
     
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  3. Konata

    Konata L2: Junior Member

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    Random buildings, for sure.
     
  4. Tom Hoen

    Tom Hoen L6: Sharp Member

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    -Clipping for stairs
    -Skip/Hint brushes maybe
    -Area portals and fixing them if they don't fit the doors
     
  5. Tyker

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    Random buildings, because it can eliminate testing bias from players who do not like undetailed maps. This way you could block out something, make it look semi-good with randomization, and have testing done with players who would otherwise not play alphas. Of course detailing yourself will make anything look better, but out of those four I'd choose the randomization, just because of the testing capabilities of it.
     
  6. YM

    aa YM LVL100 YM

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    Clarification: entities are also on the agenda not just brushes. In fact entities are easier than brushes by far.
     
  7. Jeremy

    Jeremy L11: Posh Member

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    Skybox.
    Automatically wraps the map with the skybox texture as tightly as it can.

    Or maybe areaportals or cutting leaves.
     
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  8. Bermuda Cake

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    Mirroring.
    Including equivalent red and blue texture swapping, along with team-specific entity renaming: doors, spawn points.

    Also maybe info_observer_points - if there was a way to add one that was based off current position and view in the 3d map viewer, rather than placing them like other entities, I'd have a more accurate idea of the picture it would give. Possible problems with the grid though.
     
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  9. YM

    aa YM LVL100 YM

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    These are definitely tasks best not automated.
     
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  10. grazr

    aa grazr Old Man Mutant Ninja Turtle

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    I'd like the automated displacement functions not to suck so much.
     
  11. zpqrei

    aa zpqrei Theme Changer Extraordinaire

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    As well as my ideas on Twitter, I'd like to second the point of mirroring / rotation, with fixing up names and such. I would use that for most of the maps I make.
     
  12. grazr

    aa grazr Old Man Mutant Ninja Turtle

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    It'd be convinient if cubemaps could be automated.
     
  13. Dr. Spud

    aa Dr. Spud Grossly Incandescent

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    Automated combining of multiple props into a single prop. I know you said brushes but this is a more annoying omission from hammer. Unreal has what's called the "foliage tool" which basically paints a bunch of props, then lumps them into one entity so that they're all drawn as one, greatly optimizing the scene.

    To do the same thing in source, you have to recompile multiple props into one inside the modelling program. That either requires you to manually input the coordinates from hammer into the modelling program for each prop, or bring the level geometry into the modelling program for reference. Huge hassle.

    edit: I think qc compiling lets you combine multiple smds or mdls into one. Something along those lines. A script could potentially grab a bunch of model names and coordinates from a map and generate a qc.
     
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  14. tyler

    aa tyler snail prince, master of a ruined tower

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    But if they could be done well, I would really appreciate it. I guess this leaves the realm of automation and enters the realm of VVIS actually being good enough to trust on its own.

    It'd be nice if when making a symmetrical map there was just some way to flip it like zpq says. I think someone has told me this is possible via manifests or something but it's so complex I don't want to bother.
     
  15. Rexy

    aa Rexy The Kwisatz Haderach

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    I would like a real-time solution to preview lighting that's comparable to something like UDK that's not poor like it is atm in hammer.

    I know it's borderline-off topic, but I think it would be nice to have.
     
  16. YM

    aa YM LVL100 YM

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    Yeeeaaahhh that's way off the mark Rexy. I'm talking about a little program like twister.

    Something that you can feed a template VMF (like a ramp for a stair generator) and it'll generate a new vmf for you to copy/paste from.
     
  17. AngryAngus

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    Random building details by far.
     
  18. Freyja

    aa Freyja ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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    I say stairs, but that's just because their a pain to redo over and over, or in my case, a pain to copy, paste and clip.

    Mirroring would be great, actually. Really great. You could make it flip along the map origin, maybe.
     
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  19. YM

    aa YM LVL100 YM

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    today's work culminates in..... a random bunch of brushes!

    [​IMG]
     
  20. Micnax

    aa Micnax I maek map

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    Now get it to load pre-build building prefabs and apply them to the generation.