First things first. What is up with all the arena remake hate? People are getting flamed for turning a map they like (or dislike) into an arena. Why? What's so wrong with people tweaking old maps to fit with the new gametype? The arguments I've seen so far are 1) It takes no effort. 2) It's stealing from the map's creator. 3) It's "just decompiling a map and switching some entities around". 4) It's "not a real map". ... So? Your point is? Yes, it's extremely easy to make an old map into an arena map. But who says all maps have to be month long processes? It's just as much a creation, even if it took less effort. I honestly think none of these mappers so far have made arena maps just for the sake of making arena maps. Look at arena_hydro. It's not "just decompiling a map and switching entities around". It's recognizing that arena could quite possibly be the solution to the constant stalemates of hydro we've been looking for. It's not a job a mapper puts month of sweat and tears into, like tc_meridian or ctf_Aerospace. It's more of a "Hm, this might work, I'll give it a shot" kinda job. So yes, in a way, they aren't "real maps". They're not epic masterpieces designed with painstaking detail by a dedicated artist. They're funnies, comic strips, political cartoons, but pieces of art nonetheless. And like political cartoons, they seem degrading to some. But in reality, they're just an opinion, a one-off. They may be smaller and, dare I say, cheaper than most custom maps, but they're just as much a contribution to the community as any other. So for the love of god, stop wasting all your energy fuming at people doing something you don't completely agree with and spend your time doing better things. Like mapping. Or reading a book. Or anything. I swear, there's no need to throw a temper tantrum. :glare: Edit: Removed redundancy.