Any Ideas On A Layout Extension Here?

Discussion in 'Mapping Questions & Discussion' started by Dr. KillPatient, Oct 23, 2009.

  1. Dr. KillPatient

    Dr. KillPatient L3: Member

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    Well, I'm working on my first release, possibly, a KOTH map centered in a two (or perhaps more) silo-like area. This is the layout around the CP, any ideas for how the rest could be laid out would be nice, as well as any other recommendations.
    I've also attached the VMF in case you want to look around or compile and walk about the place.
    For reference purposes the distance from the lower area to the top bridge area with the CP is just a few units (about 60-80) lower than the distance a vertical non-crouching rocketjump can take you, so soldiers and demos can get up there with ease.

    Note that it's currently in fullbright with only the layout set. I cannot figure out the light_env to save my life-- or light my map universally for now.

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    Top layout, with a slight angle to show depth.

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    Closer view of the CP.

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    View from the lower level to one of the stairways.

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    Top of the stairs looking across the CP.
     
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  2. zornor

    zornor L4: Comfortable Member

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    To use light_env you need the following:
    - One light_env, placed anywhere
    - A few skybox textured blocks (preferably in out-of-reach map boundary locations)

    You might also want to look for Acegikmo's Environment gallery so you can copy the environment settings from Valve maps.

    As for the layout looks like you need some alternate routes so it doesn't become a sniper alley from the spawn to the capture point :)
     
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  4. Dr. KillPatient

    Dr. KillPatient L3: Member

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    I was thinking of putting some outer rings around it between the stairs and the entrance to the silo connecting all four tunnels. I will add some cover in the tunnels eventually so it's not a sniperfest.
     
  5. Psy

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    Light environment will not work on an completely indoor map. You need some brushes textured with toolsskybox.
     
  6. Dr. KillPatient

    Dr. KillPatient L3: Member

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    The light environment is working now, but that's not actually what I was looking for. I really want some advice on how to extend the layout of the map without making gameplay too bland.
    Thanks anyway though =)
     
  7. zornor

    zornor L4: Comfortable Member

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    You have the right ideas about use of elevation, but ur doin it rong D:

    Elevated areas should be easily reachable by soldiers, demomen, and sometimes, scouts. To be honest I have yet to open up your map since your screenshots seem comprehensive enough, but scouts don't seem to have much of an environmental advantage due to the lack of open areas, ways to travel between storeys that other classes can't take.

    There's also not really many places for an engineer to setup. Add some alcoves etc on the side of the main room, maybe. This is also important for spies to be able to cloak and use cover (remember to add in ammo for both of these classes!)

    Snipers can sit at spawn and shoot people, and vice versa. Maybe a corner, or a layout like this:

    SPAWN
    __|..|__
    |..___..|
    |..|__|..|
    |__..__|
    ....|..|....
    EVERYWHERE ELSE

    could help to alleviate that problem.
     
  8. Dr. KillPatient

    Dr. KillPatient L3: Member

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    Actually those upward-sloping passageways will probably lead to an outside area. Those won't lead to the spawns. But good point, how might I give scouts a tactical advantage without letting the other non-demo/solly classes jump up, as well as not break the theme? I was thinking it might be spytech or something, like cp_blackmesa if you've ever played it.
    I added corridors connecting the four stair tunnels as well on the top area, screenshots coming tomorrow once I get on my computer.
     
  9. zornor

    zornor L4: Comfortable Member

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    I guess they could jump on computers or toxic waste barrels or something.