So I ask ID a couple of days, probably a week or so, I don't exactly remember but the point is there was plenty of time left before the submission deadline, to find some competitive players to judge. The contest ends, he whacks up a prelim thread without even talking to anyone about it, at this point I'd asked for a judges subforum and all the judges to be added to it so we could discuss how to conduct prelims. The prelims thread closes since it's just plain stupid. Ages passes. Just on saturday I finally get a PM from ID with the names of the competative judges, the judges corner is up by this time, just and the rest of the judges are casting votes. The last of the judges votes for prelims came in yesterday, except for the judges I had ID pick, he tells me they've all played the maps so I PM them today asking them if they could hurry their prelim votes up a bit I get a reply telling me that on sunday ID asked them to vote and then they started looking at the maps. So their votes wont be in for prelims until at least Wednesday or Thursday, especially as one of them is on holiday. I am sorry to pick on ID like this, he is an all-right guy. But just can't do anything right. So I'm done. I will keep mapping, most likely for TF2. But helping to run this community is too stressful for me.