L4D2 Boycott Challenges Valve

StoneFrog

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Prove It.
posted by Walking_Target @ 10:51PM on July 11, 2009
Since everyone seems to be on opposite shifts lately, I'm going to go ahead and post a small update.

At this point I'm going to say that Sessler is probably not going to get back to us, period. I don't know if he never got the email, wasn't interested, or is just ignoring us; in any case, we're not expecting to hear from him. So I say this to him:

Mr. Sessler, if you are so un-biased and fair, then you should be able to talk to reasonable people who disagree with you.

Next on the list is something a bit more personal to me, but never the less, something I feel that the community wants.


Valve has been touting how L4D2 is supposed to be so much different than the original, thus requiring a completely different standalone.

I, Walking_Target, am issuing a challenge, to Valve.

Prove It.

If L4D2 is so drastically different than L4D, then show us. Give some of the community access to the L4D2 demo distributed to the press.

There's no real reason not to. There should be no issues of confidentiallity, as this has already been released to mainstream media sources.

In fact, the only reason I could see not to give certain members of the community access, is that L4D2 is *not* that different than L4D.


Again, this post is from Walking_Target, and it does not necessarily represent the views of the other staff or the community.

Keep up the good work guys!

-Walking_Target.

Read the original announcement here.

Frankly it's kind of a petty thing to argue over, and in essence it just sounds like cries for a demo for the sake of having a demo. Still, if Valve even recognizes this outburst, it'd be quite interesting. I'm glad I joined this group. It's like Dawson's Creek over the internet.
 

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Plus they have more important things to worry about than grumpy teens

Such as? That's basically their target demographic...
 

Nineaxis

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Such as? That's basically their target demographic...

Ha. ha. ha. Not really.

Someone needs to go pull these L4D2 Boycott people's heads out of their butts. Seriously.

The game is still in beta. They're still doing work on it. They're releasing stuff to the press for publicity, because, well, that's what the press does. Releasing a demo of the game to a bunch of whiny teenagers who have already made it clear they have no intentions to buy it is like giving free kegs of your finest wine to Alcoholics Anonymous.
 

Smetzle

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As do the rest of the people who constantly troll us on here, and elsewhere. They fear us, because we might actually win. We might actually make a difference, whereas THEY can't on any level. By calling us "whiners", "cheapskates" or whatever derogatory term they can think of, they are attempting to undermine our cause and mask their fear.

They sound like some kind of weird religious cult.

Also, Walking_Target's understanding of the complex art of not pressing the enter key twice after every sentence is beyond compare.
 
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grazr

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Yea, the computer game media industry works in a different way to other journalist media. Just because the "games media" have it, is no reason to demand it be publicly released. They sound like spoilt children, if they can't get it for free they want it ASAP.

I do agree Valve have pissed a lot of people off with this boycott, and that this content could easily have been introduced to the original.

Well.. i don't want to take their right to protest away, but they seem to be taking it awefully personally.
 
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It's technically an 18 rated game, so people that age shouldn't be playing it anyway.

So, when we're shooting zombie scum... they'll be twiddling their thumbs.

gg guys, gg
 

JosephOhSnap

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I don't get why everybody is pissed off. Valve thought that they would be releasing new updates for l4d like they did for tf2, and then they decided to reengineer some of the stuff, and use the maps that were probably already in production in a sequal. The only reasonably thing that people should be "demanding" right now is a slightly reduced price for people who already own l4d1 on their steam account. Anything else, and maybe even that, is over the top.
 

SiniStarR

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i can understand why they are mad, I mean if they announce TF3 for the end of the year, even I would be like WTF VALVE FINISH YOUR VIDEOS AND UPDATES. But even if that WAS the case, I probably would still buy Tf3 if this scenario took place.

But I can assure you that, despite all this protest, probably 90% of the boycotters are going to hypocrites on where they stand and are gonna buy the game anyways. Valves a business not the government.
 

Stormcaller3801

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I wonder if the changes would even be things you'd notice from playing. If most of the improvements were behind the curtain, even acceding to the demands might end up going bad: people who want to complain could yell there's no significant changes and how they're being conned, while Valve would basically have to just sit there and insist there's changes.

Still, I'm figuring this will all end up as lots of sound and fury, yet have no overall effect on anyone. That, and I look forward to the inevitable modifications to the L4D2 characters to make them look like and sound like TF2 characters.

A la this:

l4scout1.jpg
 

SiniStarR

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rofl nice find, you would think they would have at least done something with the girl
 

grazr

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I don't get why everybody is pissed off. Valve thought that they would be releasing new updates for l4d like they did for tf2, and then they decided to reengineer some of the stuff, and use the maps that were probably already in production in a sequal. The only reasonably thing that people should be "demanding" right now is a slightly reduced price for people who already own l4d1 on their steam account. Anything else, and maybe even that, is over the top.

Imagine Valve made the medic release as they have, and got arena mode out. Then made all the other class updates, map modes (payload) and new environments (alpine) as a sequal "TF3". I think you'd be pissed. Particularly since they stated to do otherwise.

rofl nice find, you would think they would have at least done something with the girl

Backburner? :lol:
 

Ninjilla

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Only thing Im worried about in L4D2 is that the characters seem a lot less interesting.
 

grazr

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I think what he means is that they're awfully cliché.

The original characters got reworked and redesigned several times each, to avoid this very happenstance. For example the biker used to be fat. And technically, we knew nothing about those guys either.
 

Ninjilla

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Of course we still know next-to-nothing about them, so that could easily change.

The voice over I heard from the trailer makes me think standard cliche souther black guy, which I get plenty of down here already <.<

Not to be racist :p
 

Spike

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l4d2 boycotters are whining kids
 

Rikka

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Valve did bring this on themselves, to an extent. They only promised updates similar to TF2 to create hype and drive sells, and recent interviews make it clear they weren't sure what direction they would go post-release.

On the other hand, they don't deserve to be boycotted over it. I'd just like an apology from Valve for the mislead and for them to make it a point not to make promises they can't keep.

No one trusts Valve when it comes to releasing their products on time, I don't think they want it to be the same when it comes to what we get with the products.