[Contest Entry] pl_deepwater

Okay, here's some feedback from gameday.

Firstly: Cool idea. Love the boat.

The last point is spawncamp heaven. BLU can get into RED's spawn since it's not blocked in any way (or so I heard, but I never saw it). Because there's only one way out which leads into a narrow alley, Soldiers and Snipers were dominating RED, not to mention it was really hard to get out as a Spy, thanks to random spam.

Even while spawncamping, BLU had an incredibly hard time making the final push, since the last point is one big chokepoint. All in all, I think the last area needs to open up a bit for the better of BLU, and to relocate and improve RED's spawn.

The first point with the boat is very open, and again I had problems as Spy, because there's so little ammo. I'm sure offensive Engineers had an issue with that as well. And of course, I don't think I need to mention the Snipers.


When the cart is stopped right there, it's impossible to get by, which I would really like to do as a Spy. Must open up.

also...blue could really use some forward spawns...its not the best idea to rely completely on engies, and without the teleporters...well...to be honest the walk there would have been painful

I feel it is necessary to point out that a good portion of the map is also very open, giving defensive scouts and snipers a pretty severe advantage over soldiers and demomen (except at the choke points). At the boat ride to the first point I was able to attack and kill enemies virtually at-will, and I wasn't the only scout doing so.

The first cap especially could do with a lot more cover for the less maneuverable classes. I'm not asking much, just a few barriers or roofs.

Still, for an untextured map it really is quite pretty architecturally.

Oh, yes, forward spawns would be nice. That goes for RED too, like in Badwater Basin, since they also have quite the walk. Trust me, I'd rather have longer respawn times than a longer walk.

Definately, I was totally taken by suprise by the boat ride. Awesome idea. The walk for the defenders was BRUTAL, forward spawns are essential. My biggest issue is not being able to get right into the action. Try to remember your map must eptimize the core mechanics of TF2.

Additionally I noticed there is a train near the exit of the base, players can fall into this area and get stuck. I have a screenshot if you need it.

Tried to download for testing, kept receiving the following error:

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Comments about what? The name? I actually liked Deepwater better since it at least has something to do with the theme. It doesn't matter if it sounds like Badwater, because a) Deepwater means something entirely different (Badwater is the name of the place, while I assume Deepwater references the actual water) and b) even Valve has done this themselves (Badlands - Badwater). I guess Plutonium is nice, but again, it has nothing to do with the map (I could put a bunch of cats in a corner of my map, but that wouldn't make cp_cat a good name). IMO, keep Deepwater.