I just started using Hammer Editor, in the Source SDK, and I have already stumbled across a problem. I am making my own payload map, and I have everything in place, apart from the landscape, and this is where it started to go wrong. I made a box, added a ground texture to the box, and started to displace it, and made a really nice looking landscape, and added an info_player_spawn and an info_player_teampawn just in case, saved and compiled with no errors, but when my map loads in TF2, TF2 closes without warning. if you could help that would be great, thanks.
I want to see your compile log. Also, just use info_player_teamspawn.
I'd suggest you use the A Boojum Snark's gametype library which you can find here. It has everything ready for you to go. Word of caution though: look trough the entities and see what they do. Using the ABS pack doesn't mean you shouldn't know how to make your own game mode from scratch.
Also, judging by the " I made a box, added a ground texture to the box, and started to displace it" part, you're pretty new to TF2 mapping or mapping in general. I'd suggest you look at this section of this forum to get you started. I already have this feeling that the map isn't sealed and that the displacement is making entities leak into the void.
Anyway, I'd like to see your compile log.
I'd suggest you use the A Boojum Snark's gametype library which you can find here. It has everything ready for you to go. Word of caution though: look trough the entities and see what they do. Using the ABS pack doesn't mean you shouldn't know how to make your own game mode from scratch.
Also, judging by the " I made a box, added a ground texture to the box, and started to displace it" part, you're pretty new to TF2 mapping or mapping in general. I'd suggest you look at this section of this forum to get you started. I already have this feeling that the map isn't sealed and that the displacement is making entities leak into the void.
Anyway, I'd like to see your compile log.
ok, here you go.
I don't normally look at compile logs, so this might help.
and by the way, I am quite new to TF2 mapping, and TF2 in general, really.
Code:
** Executing...
** Command: "P:\Steam_Games\SteamApps\common\Team Fortress 2\bin\vbsp.exe"
** Parameters: -game "P:\Steam_Games\SteamApps\common\Team Fortress 2\tf" "C:\Users\Marcus\Documents\pl_Onward.vmf"
Valve Software - vbsp.exe (Mar 30 2015)
4 threads
materialPath: P:\Steam_Games\SteamApps\common\Team Fortress 2\tf\materials
Loading C:\Users\Marcus\Documents\pl_Onward.vmf
Patching WVT material: maps/pl_onward/coalmines/blendgroundtograss_coalmines_wvt_patch
fixing up env_cubemap materials on brush sides...
ProcessBlock_Thread: 0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10 (0)
ProcessBlock_Thread: 0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10 (0)
Processing areas...done (0)
Building Faces...done (0)
FixTjuncs...
PruneNodes...
WriteBSP...
done (0)
writing C:\Users\Marcus\Documents\pl_Onward.prt...Building visibility clusters...
done (0)
Creating default LDR cubemaps for env_cubemap using skybox materials:
skybox/sky_day01_01*.vmt
! Run buildcubemaps in the engine to get the correct cube maps.
Creating default HDR cubemaps for env_cubemap using skybox materials:
skybox/sky_day01_01*.vmt
! Run buildcubemaps in the engine to get the correct cube maps.
Bad surface extents point: -1088.000000 -3328.000000 16.000000
Bad surface extents point: -1088.000000 768.000000 16.000000
Bad surface extents point: 3008.000000 768.000000 16.000000
Bad surface extents point: 3008.000000 -3328.000000 16.000000
Bad surface extents - surface is too big to have a lightmap
material COALMINES/BLENDGROUNDTOGRASS_COALMINES around point (960.0 -1280.0 16.0)
(dimension: 0, 151>126)
** Executing...
** Command: "P:\Steam_Games\SteamApps\common\Team Fortress 2\bin\vvis.exe"
** Parameters: -game "P:\Steam_Games\SteamApps\common\Team Fortress 2\tf" "C:\Users\Marcus\Documents\pl_Onward"
Valve Software - vvis.exe (Mar 30 2015)
4 threads
reading c:\users\marcus\documents\pl_Onward.bsp
reading c:\users\marcus\documents\pl_Onward.prt
4 portalclusters
4 numportals
BasePortalVis: 0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10 (0)
PortalFlow: 0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10 (0)
Optimized: 0 visible clusters (0.00%)
Total clusters visible: 16
Average clusters visible: 4
Building PAS...
Average clusters audible: 4
visdatasize:44 compressed from 64
writing c:\users\marcus\documents\pl_Onward.bsp
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** Executing...
** Command: "P:\Steam_Games\SteamApps\common\Team Fortress 2\bin\vrad.exe"
** Parameters: -game "P:\Steam_Games\SteamApps\common\Team Fortress 2\tf" "C:\Users\Marcus\Documents\pl_Onward"
Valve Software - vrad.exe SSE (Mar 30 2015)
Valve Radiosity Simulator
4 threads
[Reading texlights from 'lights.rad']
[37 texlights parsed from 'lights.rad']
Loading c:\users\marcus\documents\pl_Onward.bsp
Setting up ray-trace acceleration structure... Done (0.01 seconds)
594 faces
6260274 square feet [901479552.00 square inches]
0 Displacements
0 Square Feet [0.00 Square Inches]
594 patches before subdivision
18970 patches after subdivision
0 direct lights
BuildFacelights: 0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10 (0)
BuildVisLeafs: 0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10 (0)
transfers 0, max 0
transfer lists: 0.0 megs
GatherLight: 0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10 (0)
Bounce #1 added RGB(0, 0, 0)
Build Patch/Sample Hash Table(s).....Done<0.0081 sec>
FinalLightFace: 0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10 (0)
FinalLightFace Done
0 of 0 (0% of) surface lights went in leaf ambient cubes.
ThreadComputeLeafAmbient: 0...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...10 (1)
Writing leaf ambient...done
Ready to Finish
Object names Objects/Maxobjs Memory / Maxmem Fullness
------------ --------------- --------------- --------
models 1/1024 48/49152 ( 0.1%)
brushes 7/8192 84/98304 ( 0.1%)
brushsides 42/65536 336/524288 ( 0.1%)
planes 78/65536 1560/1310720 ( 0.1%)
vertexes 663/65536 7956/786432 ( 1.0%)
nodes 432/65536 13824/2097152 ( 0.7%)
texinfos 4/12288 288/884736 ( 0.0%)
texdata 2/2048 64/65536 ( 0.1%)
dispinfos 0/0 0/0 ( 0.0%)
disp_verts 0/0 0/0 ( 0.0%)
disp_tris 0/0 0/0 ( 0.0%)
disp_lmsamples 0/0 0/0 ( 0.0%)
faces 594/65536 33264/3670016 ( 0.9%)
hdr faces 0/65536 0/3670016 ( 0.0%)
origfaces 12/65536 672/3670016 ( 0.0%)
leaves 434/65536 13888/2097152 ( 0.7%)
leaffaces 614/65536 1228/131072 ( 0.9%)
leafbrushes 278/65536 556/131072 ( 0.4%)
areas 2/256 16/2048 ( 0.8%)
surfedges 2520/512000 10080/2048000 ( 0.5%)
edges 1273/256000 5092/1024000 ( 0.5%)
LDR worldlights 0/8192 0/720896 ( 0.0%)
HDR worldlights 0/8192 0/720896 ( 0.0%)
leafwaterdata 0/32768 0/393216 ( 0.0%)
waterstrips 25/32768 250/327680 ( 0.1%)
waterverts 0/65536 0/786432 ( 0.0%)
waterindices 306/65536 612/131072 ( 0.5%)
cubemapsamples 0/1024 0/16384 ( 0.0%)
overlays 0/512 0/180224 ( 0.0%)
LDR lightdata [variable] 2403376/0 ( 0.0%)
HDR lightdata [variable] 0/0 ( 0.0%)
visdata [variable] 44/16777216 ( 0.0%)
entdata [variable] 340/393216 ( 0.1%)
LDR ambient table 434/65536 1736/262144 ( 0.7%)
HDR ambient table 434/65536 1736/262144 ( 0.7%)
LDR leaf ambient 126/65536 3528/1835008 ( 0.2%)
HDR leaf ambient 434/65536 12152/1835008 ( 0.7%)
occluders 0/0 0/0 ( 0.0%)
occluder polygons 0/0 0/0 ( 0.0%)
occluder vert ind 0/0 0/0 ( 0.0%)
detail props [variable] 1/12 ( 8.3%)
static props [variable] 1/12 ( 8.3%)
pakfile [variable] 106143/0 ( 0.0%)
physics [variable] 2691/4194304 ( 0.1%)
physics terrain [variable] 2/1048576 ( 0.0%)
Level flags = 0
Total triangle count: 1284
Writing c:\users\marcus\documents\pl_Onward.bsp
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** Executing...
** Command: Copy File
** Parameters: "C:\Users\Marcus\Documents\pl_Onward.bsp" "P:\Steam_Games\SteamApps\common\Team Fortress 2\tf\maps\pl_Onward.bsp"and by the way, I am quite new to TF2 mapping, and TF2 in general, really.
oh, and by the way, I made sure that the map was sealed, it was completely fine until I started to displace it.
Alrighty, follow these steps:
1. Click the "Map" option at the top of Hammer, and then click "Load Pointfile". A red line should appear somewhere in your map, telling you where the leak is. If the red line goes through a hole in the normal brushes, then close that gap.
2. Even if the red line doesn't go through it on the first compile, a displacement cannot seal a map (see the quote below), so you are going to have to place a brush to prevent a leak where the displacement is. Search for the "nodraw" texture and place it where the displacement was before you made it a displacement, and seal it along the edges of the rest of the box. If you need to (and this is generally not a good idea, but it should work for now), make a box textured with nodraw around the entirety of your map. This should prevent all leaks for the time being.
If you have any further related problems, feel free to ask for help below. I hope this helps!
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But a giant hollow box around the entire map is bad
I said that it "generally wasn't a good idea" (do you even pay attention, mate?), but that it would at least work. I fully recommend using the normal sealing method when you can, but I personally prefer to keep a skybox box around the entirety of my map until I've finished the layout and then go back and seal normally.
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Thanks Tumbolisu, but I can quite figure out what's too big, if it's my sky box, or something else.
EDIT: I ctrl+z-ed until I got to before I did the displacement, and I could play fine, hmmm...
EDIT: I ctrl+z-ed until I got to before I did the displacement, and I could play fine, hmmm...
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Ok, so created a displacement on my ground plane, but didn't edit it in any way, and I could still play fine.
edited the displacement, and I can also play, I think my skybox was too big