PL Manngrove rc

We play it on the No Heros payplaod extreme server - 32 players - all veteran payload players who are all very good players which is why that one point is a very hard cap to take - all red needs to do is engy up in the attic, while continuing to send ubers up the steps and off the ledge at the building entrance - which is why it's frustrating because most of the battle comes to battling red's constant ubers - you counter uber vs uber and then as blue you have no ubers left to take on the guns in the attack. feel free to join in next time it's up

Hi,

We play Manngrove a lot on the TopNotchClan (TN) payload rotation server with 32 players, and while I think it's an awesome map, some people want it removed because the second point is insanely hard for BLU to capture.

If RED build an engineer nest up on the third floor, it becomes almost impossible to take out. And because everyone knows this is such a key point to set up in, no-one ever tries any other kind of defense, so it gets kinda boring and predictable.

My vote would be for a one-way gate to open up somewhere (perhaps from the house near the first point, with is otherwise underutilized?) which would allow BLU access to flank a little.

I hope you do consider doing an RC6 to fix this, as it's a really cool map, but as it stands right now the 2nd point just makes people angry and want to change maps.

When the 2nd point is capped, RED losses their forward spawn. But, if a RED player is in that spawn when the point is capped, they are able to open the door for their teammates. The resupply in that spawn still works after the point is capped, creating a devastating obstacle.