Invalid Solids

Montezuma

Montezuma

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So in the map I'm currently working on, I've had to make some logs out of 16-sided circle brushes. The problem is, every time I open the map it says "you saved your map with x number of invalid solids. Resave map with solids removed?" I of course save it and then open my map to find my logs gone. Is there any way I can prevent this from happening? Or should I find a new way to get this same effect?
 
Pocket

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Be lucky it just removes the invalid solids and not all of your entities (Valve, I love you guys, but whoever made that artpass base map has some 'splainin' to do!) Anyway, an "invalid solid" is a brush with one or more faces whose corners don't form a proper two-dimensional quadrilateral. A physical and geometric impossibility. Messing around with the vertex editor can cause these.

You might want to look into creating a custom model instead for your logs. It's a lot easier (read: actually possible) to manually break your quadrilaterals into triangles, which are always valid.
 
Montezuma

Montezuma

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stevethepocket said:
Be lucky it just removes the invalid solids and not all of your entities (Valve, I love you guys, but whoever made that artpass base map has some 'splainin' to do!) Anyway, an "invalid solid" is a brush with one or more faces whose corners don't form a proper two-dimensional quadrilateral. A physical and geometric impossibility. Messing around with the vertex editor can cause these.

You might want to look into creating a custom model instead for your logs. It's a lot easier (read: actually possible) to manually break your quadrilaterals into triangles, which are always valid.
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damn, I just wanted to make my tunnels look half decent. Oh well, while I'm here, does anyone know if there's a custom model out there for the logs used in the trusses found in prop/mining? I that would really solve all my problems, even if they shouldn't be that major in the first place...
EDIT: looks like if I just make the logs eight-sided instead of sixteen then they are no longer invalid. Good enough solution for the time being for me.
 
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Pocket

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Sounds like you'll be wanting to seek out someone who can do some custom modeling. Fortunately we have some of those. And from the sound of it, it'll be a pretty easy job. You just want someone to tweak existing models into slightly differently shaped ones?
 
Montezuma

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stevethepocket said:
Sounds like you'll be wanting to seek out someone who can do some custom modeling. Fortunately we have some of those. And from the sound of it, it'll be a pretty easy job. You just want someone to tweak existing models into slightly differently shaped ones?
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yeah I guess so. I don't have a lot put into this map yet, but considering how universal a prop these trusses are, I wonder if a custom modeler might not mind to just make for the sake of the community? I doubt I'm the only one who could find a use for some nice logs.
 
Seba

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There are single logs made by Valve. I don't know their filename, but I'm talking about the one used in Lumberyard.
 
Montezuma

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Seba said:
There are single logs made by Valve. I don't know their filename, but I'm talking about the one used in Lumberyard.
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I tried using those, but they're a little big for my needs and they don't use the same texture as the trusses in props/mining.
 
tyler

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Just make the logs out of displacements. Look at how the little island things in eyeaduct's underworld are made for an example of how.
 
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