CTF Mexico b4

First off, this is a great map, and I had fun playing it. I can tell that you have put alot of work into this.

Here are some things I noticed though.

It felt kinda awkward to walk up this stair, at an angled wall.


This looks weird, got lazy?


This area is too dark.


Some walls are too thick.


You can stand on this in spawn. Not really a major issue, but something you should know.

Sooo, yeah.

StickZer0 said:

Not enough entrances into or out of the bases

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Wrong. Just the fact you can't enter or exit the base due to the cover of the middle.

It wasn't just 'too hard' to hold mid and attack, it was impossible. As soon as your team made a push into the base (which was easily fended off by the way), the other team just waltzed on out and capped the point.

Those forward spawns weren't useless. Quite the contrary, they were far too useful. They let you spawn right next to the mid, and they gave you safe place to heal whenever you took damage. They were probably a big part of the reason pushing into the base from mid was so hard.

sums it up.
middle needs to be more accessible and harder to defend. If no one can get to mid, no one will get to the flag eh?

The problem with Mexico is that it borrows the hourglass shape from KOTH too much. Everyone needs to cross the middle to reach the enemy base. Creating an alternate route that can bypass the control point would be great.

StickZer0 said:

Would more access to the underneath as well as a sideroute be a good idea to help open it up?

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I think so. but the base is already complicated enought, you might want to simplify a bit of it before makin new path. maybe rethink the inside a bit

First time I was able to test this at all, which is a lot later than I had planned!

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The concept was overall quite confusing at first, although I picked it up relatively quickly. You'll need to find a way of making it clearer to the player what they're supposed to do with the intelligence once they find it, and the purpose of the middle capture point (although it seems obvious once you figure it out, I saw a few new players asking this question yesterday)

Aside from this, it is coming along nicely.

I found that the middle building should have been more like gravelpit B. Solid walls with large windows you can crouch jump out of. Perhaps an accessable rooftop, but that's not all that important. I also felt there should have been more room in the middle. It's an ok size, but doesn't leave much to the imagination of combat.

The CP in the middle was confusing, and distracted players attention from grabbing the intel. One of the things that makes ctf work in TF2 (which are not many things, unfortunately) is the ability to succeed in combat, then progress to the intel and grab it in the absence of defenders. Teams tended to stick around to capture the point in order to capture it, allowing enough time for the enemy team to spawn (and take back the CP in return). This was the general to and fro of the game, though a reasonable amount of captures were made (2-3).

The base layout design was ok, although the left flanks were somewhat corridor-y. It might not hurt to open them up into rooms. Especially the staircase area to the battlements which was incredibly cramped.

The intel room is susceptable to sentry nests, but i guess that's just the nature of ctf.

edit: Also, get rid of that glass around the buzz saw. It just looks odd, like we're supposed to break it and unlock the objective or something.

Screenshots :mellow:?