The Update and edicts, a little something to keep in mind

A Boojum Snark

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A max of 16 stickies now means on average we'll probably be dealing with higher player-resultant edict levels. With a considerably higher maximum.

So be extra sure to keep at or below pipeline's level, since I imagine that is still fine.

 

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wow, not everybody here is a natural english speaker here. I usually have no problem understanding english, but I do not understand what you are trying to say.

do you mean that:
We should have less dynamic entities
because
there will be more sticky bombs?

 

drp

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snark has finally gone off the deep end

 

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A Boojum Snark

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Sorry, it's not really an english thing, it's mapping language. Yes, it's dynamic entities. They use up edicts (some hammer entities use more than one edict). The limit is 2048 and if you reach it the server will crash.

Pipeline as a map uses up approximately 1450 edicts leaving the rest for run-time entities like players and their weapons. It is possible to crash pipeline with enough players shooting stickies, but valve seems to think it alright. I would assume it is still safe with the new higher sticky limit. Though I suppose we'll see if valve updates pipeline or not.

 

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gamemaster1996

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So basically we have to put in less detail cuz of stickys?

 

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No, only less dynamic entities.

 

TheBladeRoden

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whats the best way to count how many dynamic entities you have

 

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TheBladeRoden said:

whats the best way to count how many dynamic entities you have

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Type "report_entities" in console while the map is running.

This will list all your entities.

Then you can type "condump" and you'll have a text file listing all the dynamic entities of various types that you have, and you can plan from there.

One trick: point_spotlights actually count as 2 entities (one for the halo you see outside the cone, one for the sprite you see inside it). Just replacing one of these with an env_sprite eliminates 1 entity, but keeps a comparably good-looking light. I recently changed some 200 point_spotlights to env_sprites, thus removing 200 entities, but the lights still look great.

 

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DaBeatzProject

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TheBladeRoden said:

whats the best way to count how many dynamic entities you have

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spare your path_tracks, env_cubemaps, ... I see a lot of people using too many of them.

 

The Political Gamer

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Valve needs to up the limit or redo the play PLR works.

 

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env_cubemaps aren't dynamic entities.

 

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TheBladeRoden said:

whats the best way to count how many dynamic entities you have

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I'd use GCFscape to rip out mapname.ent from the compiled BSP, and count how many lines have the quoted word "classname" on them. Or how many lines start with "{".

I could give you source code to do it, if you've got a Java compiler handy

 

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Terr said:

I'd use GCFscape to rip out mapname.ent from the compiled BSP, and count how many lines have the quoted word "classname" on them. Or how many lines start with "{".

I could give you source code to do it, if you've got a Java compiler handy

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Sounds brutally complicated compared to typing "report_entities" into console.