Remaking valve maps

The Asylum · Nov 18, 2009

Let's take a map like 2Fort.

Let's retexture and rearrange it so it looks like Viaduct's winter theme with TFC's layout.

A worthwhile effort, you think?

Freyja · Nov 18, 2009

Do you need to ask that here?

AntonJ3000 · Nov 18, 2009

If you mean like re-making it from scratch and not re-compiling it, it's a nice idea.

Ten19 · Nov 18, 2009

Hmm..

http://forums.tf2maps.net/showthread.php?t=9387

I'd say time is better spent working on original maps.

Dr. Spud · Nov 18, 2009

AntonJ3000 said:
If you mean like re-making it from scratch and not re-compiling it, it's a nice idea.

How does that make it better? I couldn't give a shit about a new 2fort...

(and by the way the graphics in 2fort aren't what need to be changed).

Jack Riguel · Nov 18, 2009

AntonJ3000 said:
If you mean like re-making it from scratch and not re-compiling it, it's a nice idea.

I don't see an issue with that. Don't get me wrong, I dislike Valve Map Modifications as much as the next guy... but restarting from scratch and making a map that is, "in spirit", like 2fort or dustbowl or well or whatnot actually seems to be a decent Idea. Hell, I'd be a lie to say that any custom TF2 map made is completely original.

megawac · Nov 18, 2009

Jack Riguel said:
Hell, I'd be a lie to say that any custom TF2 map made is completely original.

Define completely original

Dr. Spud · Nov 18, 2009

If you're going to start a map from scratch to be just like 2fort, you might as well save time and edit the sdk_ctf_2fort file.

Sel · Nov 19, 2009

Not in this game, if you want to remake 2fort (From Scratch) in Crysis, UT, Halo, etc, then it might be a worthwhile effort, but no one really has a thing for reskins in TF2.

Ten19 · Nov 19, 2009

Jack Riguel said:
Hell, I'd be a lie to say that any custom TF2 map made is completely original.

It would, of course, depend entirely on the map. If it's a map someone has built from scratch, using their ideas, then yes, it's as original as a community map for a developer's game can be. I think that's the context we're talking about here.

Dr. ROCKZO · Nov 19, 2009

Well, it sounds like you'd be changing the map quite a bit, but be warned that no-one will be eager to download a 40mb ctf_2fort_classic_snow

Engineer · Nov 19, 2009

Umm, you really should make your own map. Almost 90% of mappers hate remade tf2 maps :thumbdown:

FireSlash · Nov 19, 2009

Engineer said:
Umm, you really should make your own map. Almost 90% of mappers hate remade tf2 maps :thumbdown:

Yes, I agree. However... If we look at the CTF charts.
5 ctf_2fort_night
6 ctf_2fort_engi_power
8 ctf_2fort_egypt_z
9 ctf_2fort_classic_v1
10 ctf_2fort_sunrise
11 ctf_2fort_Dusty
14 ctf_2fort_Desert2
:facepalm:

grazr · Nov 19, 2009

Why not take that a step further and read them all out just to rub the ironic point in.

5 ctf_2fort_night
6 ctf_2fort_engi_power
8 ctf_2fort_egypt_z
9 ctf_2fort_sunrise
10 ctf_2fort_classic_v1
11 ctf_2fort_Dusty
13 ctf_2fort_Desert
22 ctf_2fort_Desert2
24 ctf_2fort_tf2fr_b1
29 ctf_2fort_revamp_b2
30 ctf_2fort_rainy
32 ctf_2fort_swamp_night
34 ctf_2fort_Winter
37 ctf_2fort_night2_b2
47 ctf_2fort_rainy_final
51 ctf_2fort_snowy
56 ctf_2fort_freak
61 ctf_2fort_classic_v2
82 ctf_2fort_egypt_y
91 ctf_2fort_kross_v1

and that's not even including ctf_2fort_upsidedown

tehn · Nov 19, 2009

LMAO! grazr.

Terr · Nov 19, 2009

Yeah, the real travesty is that ctf_2fort_revamp is so far down the list

(And ctf_2fort_classic_v1 doesn't seem to be based on the SDK copy.)

I'm one of those folks who started mapping based on the sdk_* maps. And frankly, I'd do it again, and I plan to continue my ongoing map in addition to the my new one.

For me, it's a practice in map revision. With a map people already have a lot of strong pro/con opinions about, can I accurately diagnose the problems and work in solutions that don't involve moving huge tracts of geometry?

That said, if you want to change the overall map geometry to match TFCs, my suggestion is to start from scratch: Stock 2fort has so many brushes you'll have to move...

FireSlash · Nov 20, 2009

grazr said:
Why not take that a step further and read them all out just to rub the ironic point in.

The full mind-numbing list

And it grows. Almost every day it grows. :crying:

Tapp · Nov 21, 2009

What exactly would be the benefit? You would go through the effort of making an entire map, only for it to play exactly the same as a long list of pre-existing ones.

lana · Nov 21, 2009

grazr said:
and that's not even including ctf_2fort_upsidedown

Don't be hatin'

That map was original.

grazr · Nov 21, 2009

Nerdboy said:
Don't be hatin'

That map was original.

That's not hating, it was a joke. That map wasn't supposed to be serious. It was an honourable mention.

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