How early should I start a thread for my map?

Discussion in 'Mapping Questions & Discussion' started by Amidio, May 2, 2012.

  1. Amidio

    Amidio L2: Junior Member

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    I'm nearly at a point where I feel confident enough in my map to actually post it on the forum, and I have to ask, how early should I? There are currently about a half-dozen problems that need fixing and the lighting is nowhere near done, but should I post to see if there are any glaring flaws I'm missing?
     
  2. Freyja

    aa Freyja Creating visual gameplay since 2007

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    Whenever you want. I personally wait till I have a playable download, but other don't. Don't feel contained, there's no rules for this.
     
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  3. Sel

    Sel Banned

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    Post the thread after you sort out the issues you can see yourself, otherwise you'll just get a bunch of people telling you about issues you already know about, or people won't post at all because it looks sloppy since you didn't fix some simple stuff.
     
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  4. grazr

    aa grazr Old Man Mutant Ninja Turtle

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    Well you should post pics ASAP so you can get advice on your scale and game mode mechanics (such as custom CP count or other gimmicks, etc).

    Once you're happy with the concept and layout, make sure the important stuff that prevents exploits like spawn camping etc is in place, properly functioning respawn rooms, respawn visualisers and spawn doors with the appropriate team filtering, environment lighting, etc etc. Basically when the map is working you can post a version for testing.
     
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  5. ics

    ics L6: Sharp Member

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    Be aware that the people around here and elsewhere can be quite cruel or you may feel they are such when they comment your work. Everyone has a different point of view that differs from yours.

    If you feel lost, post it now. If you know you can fix the things yourself and you do not need help at this point, then don't post yet. Just keep on mind that someone else might spot flaws and give you ideas that you might find usefull.
     
  6. grazr

    aa grazr Old Man Mutant Ninja Turtle

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    "Heh".

    Cruel is such a subjective term i find. Is it cruel to lie to someone to protect their feelings even though they'd be at an disadvantage? Is it cruel to kill a mortally wounded pet? Is it cruel to point out the flaws in someones creative work?

    People will always be offended on some level when their work comes under harsh criticism, but without it the project will be doomed to mediocrity or worse. It's a necessity. The design world is no place for the overly sensitive.

    In this case my advice would be simply to look at all comments objectively and to consider the reasons why certain people might be hostile to any one of your design ideas. Hostility to a design choice usually comes from frustration, not an ambiguous hatred at you as an individual or ego/superiority complex on their part.
     
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  7. Pocket

    aa Pocket I can fix it!

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    Translation: Don't post until after you've built your cubemaps. ;)

    (And played through the map yourself to make sure the mechanics work properly. The control points add the right amount of time, the cart goes all the way to the end without getting stuck, the spawn rooms all lock and unlock properly, that sort of thing. Unless you have a really weird mechanic that requires players to be in two different places, like the capture zone in Gloryhole, you should be able to check it all with just one person. It's safe to assume that things like capture multipliers and blocking work automatically if everything else does.)
     
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  8. grazr

    aa grazr Old Man Mutant Ninja Turtle

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    Well you can kinda guess about capture times if you're experienced enough, but that's why we have alpha (pre-artpass) testing. To make sure the map becomes balanced if it wasn't on its first release. Your first 1 or 2 map releases are almost garaunteed to have a number of issues like skewiff respawn waves and mis-timed control point timers. The point is to knock out 2 or 3 alpha's to hone those settings down with a little trial and error.
     
  9. LeSwordfish

    aa LeSwordfish semi-trained quasi-professional

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    I know of one good map that had only one alpha, and that was Badwater. If anyone can tell me of any maps that are genuinely good that appear out of nowhere in beta, I'd be interested to know.
     
  10. MangyCarface

    aa MangyCarface Mapper

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    They exist, but are locked away in my memory from about 2-3 years ago. Christ time flies
     
  11. Tarry H Sruman

    aa Tarry H Sruman Large Orphanage Proprietor

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    Make a thread as soon as you are ready for strangers to look at it and call you gay over the internet because of their perceptions of its quality based on three screenshots.
     
  12. Pocket

    aa Pocket I can fix it!

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    What I meant was, to make sure you didn't forget to add all the outputs and whatnot. Sometimes maps slip into public tests with actual bugs. Double-checking the associated entities in Hammer is the best bet for catching that sort of thing, but if the map has never been played before at any stage, it can't hurt to do a dry run on your own.